17th Century FORUM
The use of bogeymen by nationalists.
Draconifer
Not to be an apologist but are such reviled camapigners as Oliver Cromwell and Edward Plantagenet the 1st exclusively one country's
monster. Oliver Cromwell's actions at Dunbar against the Scots for example and against staunch Royalists seems to negate claims of
specifically anti-Irish motivation. His posthumous beheading would confirm that. So-caled Malleus Scottorum also was the scourge of Wales.
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Since nobody wants to touch this with a ten foot poll, I'll have a go. Oliver Cromwell like Edward Plantagenet the first ,brutally consolidated a land with a linear historyof intense infighting. Cromwell's ferocity was owed to that which was standard in the infamous Thirty Wars. The Lord Protector Cromwell, though a religious zealot ,was really after the Royalists in Ireland and of course their lands to pay his debts. The motivation of reprisal to avenge Protestant settlers was less a true aim than merely the confiscation of land and to negate a base for a Royalist counter-attack. Propagandaists of the inter-regnum period suggested a religious motivation but Cromwell was a shrewd pragmatist above all. Nothing the New Model Army did as far as strocities in the "Celtic " regions was not committed against other peoples and Royalists. Not only was Edward 1st a ravager of the "Welsh" but that of Berwick upon Tweed and of course Scotland. His actions against Jewish Londoners and his participation in 7th crusade make him a scourge of humanity rather than merely Ediardius Malleus Scottiorum.
Posted: 04-Nov-2008 17:19
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